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Geoff Mayo
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I mentioned this in another thread but I've got some ideas now for which I'd appreciate some opinion.

My original plan called for me to take the Hoosier State from Indianapolis to Chicago. Unfortunately that train may be annulled the day before I travel if the funding is not resolved by then. It would be a shame as it's a fascinating route in railroad terms with lots of junctions and wiggly routing involved.

I need to be at O'Hare for a 6:30pm flight. That train would have given me around 5 hours to meander around Chicago, maybe take a local train out to a busy area. I would then take a 3pm Metra to O'Hare Transfer to arrive plenty of time before my flight.

I have a few options. Firstly the dreary ones: take a flight to Chicago from O'Hare - probably expensive as I'd be buying a single hop rather than part of a through routing via Chicago as I've already purchased the other flights. Or I take a Greyhound or Megabus (only $1 currently for the latter). Or hire a car but I don't fancy Chicago roads.

Now for the more extreme. Masochistic some might say. There is a Thruway bus from Indianapolis to Champaign-Urbana (just over 2 hours) which is supposed to get there in time for the Saluki to Chicago. Is this a guaranteed connection (and I don't mean substituting for a later train or road transport from Champaign to Chicago)? I've been on the City of New Orleans southbound a couple of times but it would be fascinating to see the route northbound.

Finally, assuming I did travel on the Hoosier State, I'm thinking of heading out to Homewood on the IC line as there is a railfan shelter there. It would only be for a couple of hours though, around 11:30am-1:30pm. Last thing I want to do is sit there for 2 hours and not see anything move! Anybody been there at this time of day?

Any thoughts on the above, specifically anything to avoid? Many thanks.

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Amtrak does not operate the Thruway bus from Indianapolis to Champaign-Urbana, but instead Burlington Trailways does as part of its regular schedule. I doubt that you will find the connection guaranteed, but may be wrong.

On the positive side, the bus originates in Indianapolis, not from some distant point.

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I must admit that I'm having a rough time understanding the various options that are being mentioned----this stuff is just not my area of expertise. However, if you don't mind me asking a question within your thread, Geoff, I'd appreciate seeing if there is an answer to a question that I've always wondered about:

Is there any type of reliable, simple, SAFE, method of rail transportation from Chicago O'Hare Airport to downtown Chicago where all of the hotels are located (I think it's called the Miracle Mile area)? It seems like with so many full-sized trains and subway-type of trains all over that city, there's gotta be something to get people to/from the airport. I've never found it if it exists. I have heard rumors about "Take the light rail to this station and connect to the El that connects to the Metra that takes you to Union Station, then from there it's bus XY32B with a transfer to bus YN76A". That is precisely what I am NOT looking for. If that's the case, I'll stick with the cab that I've always used. But if there is something like, "Get on "x" train at the airport and just stay on it until you get to the Hyatt"---no we're talking! Does any such thing exist? Thanks.

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First, Mr. Andy Smith, the CTA rapid transit lines connect both O'Hare and Midway Airports with the Downtown (Loop in Chicagoese). The 'Mag Mile' or the mixed commercial residential area of North Michigan Ave is also accessible but not really that directly (buses of course).

Now regarding Mr. Mayo's dilemma, I get the feeling this is a business trip and possibly being reimbursed by a client, if so, or even if for your own account, why expose yourself to the masochism that either riding 850, Hoosier State, (likely will continue; what other way is there to handle equipment to or from shopping at Beech Grove?) or taking a bus to Champaign (even though the connection appears to be guaranteed) thence train to Chicago, would entail.

If this is a 'Point A to B transportation' requirement as distinct from a railfan joyride, just fly. The one way fare on either United or American's 'partner' appears to be about $160 booked one month out. The cost of a one way auto rental (hire) with a 'major' would also be about $160, but with just flying, and if on the same carrier as you would be continuing on to LAX, 'you're right there'. Auto rental returns at ORD are, trust me, 'way out in left field' of the biggest airport in the US.

Oh, and a final plug for United - the airline on which I do what flying in this life I do - you will find their puddle jumping partner flies Embraer RJ-145's. Those feature 2-1 seating and, absent you being a former Grenadier, are OK for pitch. Also way aft, you will have a good chance of flightseeing (also forward, but those are premium priced Economy Plus seats).

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quote:
Originally posted by DonNadeau:
Amtrak does not operate the Thruway bus from Indianapolis to Champaign-Urbana, but instead Burlington Trailways does as part of its regular schedule. I doubt that you will find the connection guaranteed, but may be wrong.

Thanks - I'd missed that snippet. It does explain why it "misses" each of the trains it later does not connect with.

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Is there any type of reliable, simple, SAFE, method of rail transportation from Chicago O'Hare Airport to downtown Chicago where all of the hotels are located (I think it's called the Miracle Mile area)?

Well... the method I used last time was to take a Metra North Central (pdf) service from Union Station to O'Hare Transfer, whereupon a free shuttle bus runs to the end of the monorail (only about a mile, maybe 5 minutes), which itself is a few minutes to each of the terminals. It's would probably fall within Mr. Norman's masochistic category as there are no red caps and no champagne served on board. The service also only runs weekdays and is not particularly frequent so it only works if you have time to kill and/or the timings work out for you.

You asked for the other direction: I didn't take much notice of the bus transfer and I guess there may be more than one bus or indeed more than one destination for that bus. But there were maybe a dozen people with me making that transfer so I'm sure somebody would know.

But the subway does indeed reach O'Hare, as it does Midway - a long ride with lots of stops, mind.

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Now regarding Mr. Mayo's dilemma, I get the feeling this is a business trip and possibly being reimbursed by a client, if so, or even if for your own account, why expose yourself to the masochism that either riding 850, Hoosier State, (likely will continue; what other way is there to handle equipment to or from shopping at Beech Grove?) or taking a bus to Champaign (even though the connection appears to be guaranteed) thence train to Chicago, would entail.

If this is a 'Point A to B transportation' requirement as distinct from a railfan joyride, just fly.

Business, yes, paid-for by clients, sadly no. Joyride, yes.

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Auto rental returns at ORD are, trust me, 'way out in left field' of the biggest airport in the US.

That's useful to know, thanks.

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Oh, and a final plug for United - the airline on which I do what flying in this life I do - you will find their puddle jumping partner flies Embraer RJ-145's. Those feature 2-1 seating and, absent you being a former Grenadier, are OK for pitch. Also way aft, you will have a good chance of flightseeing (also forward, but those are premium priced Economy Plus seats).

I've been on a few of United's fighter jets, sorry RJ145s. Fun to fly - for brief periods.

In terms of time though, taking the Hoosier State takes 5 hours, maybe add half an hour door-to-door as I can walk to/from the station at either end. If I fly it means 45 minute ride to IND airport, 1 hour to check-in and go through security (maybe allow 1.5 for comfort), 1h15 flight, half an hour to collect baggage and exit the terminal, then another hour to get downtown. Total? 5 hours. Suddenly, the prospect of not going through security and instead sitting in one place for 5 hours sounds a lot more appealing! Especially if one can look out the rear car of the train.

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Mr. Mayo, I'm sorry, but I was under the apparently unfounded impression that you had no reason to be in Chicago other than to connect with your return flight.

If you have reason or desire to visit Downtown Chicago, then of course 'it's all bets off' regarding flying up here.

Now regarding yuour comment 'It's would probably fall within Mr. Norman's masochistic category as there are no red caps and no champagne served on board' which I assure you was taken in jest, let's see. In the past two years, I've been on four RT flights originating and returning to ORD (not too much the traveler anymore; it's pretty much just what's needed to keep friends friends and family family). Of the eight transfers, i.e. home to ORD and v.v, five have been my 'poor man's way', two have been with a 'White glive Black Lincoln' car service, and one was a ride from a friend. 'Poor man's' is taking BNSF home to CUS, walk to CTA Blue Line Clinton St. thence to O'Hare, and v.v for return. Cost @ Senior rates, $3.35 each way. Time: as little as 2hr 15min (Sunday, forget it; that's where the White Gloves and splits of chilled wine in the back seat - legal for livery services - come in).

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@smitty195

Prior to the Blue Line, nonstop bus service linked O'Hare with the Palmer House Hilton. That was such a convenient way to access Union Station!

In recent years, all the large retail stores, with the exception of what has become a Macy's, have exited the Loop. That means North Michigan Avenue (north of the Chicago River), as well has the Loop area directly adjacent to the Chicago River (Hyatt Regency on Wacker, etc.) have more and more become the favorite areas to stay.

As mentioned, no direct connection exists between O'Hare and the North Michigan Avenue area, but without much luggage you can connect conveniently from the Blue Line to the Red one and arrive at State and Grand, and then walk to many of the major hotels or take a taxi, which are not expensive in the downtown area.

Or, you can get off the Blue Line in the north Loop area, and take a taxi, which still will not be expensive to reach hotels along North Michigan Avenue.

As for safety, the Blue and Red lines are heavily used. Staying near lots of people tends to keep you safer in urban areas. However, please do not take me to the highest courts in the land if that is not true in your case!

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quote:
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Mr. Mayo, I'm sorry, but I was under the apparently unfounded impression that you had no reason to be in Chicago other than to connect with your return flight.

If you have reason or desire to visit Downtown Chicago, then of course 'it's all bets off' regarding flying up here.

Now regarding yuour comment 'It's would probably fall within Mr. Norman's masochistic category as there are no red caps and no champagne served on board' which I assure you was taken in jest, let's see. In the past two years, I've been on four RT flights originating and returning to ORD (not too much the traveler anymore; it's pretty much just what's needed to keep friends friends and family family). Of the eight transfers, i.e. home to ORD and v.v, five have been my 'poor man's way', two have been with a 'White glive Black Lincoln' car service, and one was a ride from a friend. 'Poor man's' is taking BNSF home to CUS, walk to CTA Blue Line Clinton St. thence to O'Hare, and v.v for return. Cost @ Senior rates, $3.35 each way. Time: as little as 2hr 15min (Sunday, forget it; that's where the White Gloves and splits of chilled wine in the back seat - legal for livery services - come in).

The Chicago portion is simply a waypoint. I could have booked SNA-ORD-IND and IND-ORD-SNA but chose to omit IND-ORD simply so I could ride the train. Had I booked IND-ORD as part of the overall itinerary it would only have cost $10 more. But now I'm faced with either paying a change fee ($100+), pay outright ($150), or find another means of travel. And I like train travel.

So I wasn't that far off with my jest, with your splits of wine! I'm all for the KISS principle when it comes to multi-modal travel but will equally try different things if time and cost permit. Equally I could have paid for an upgrade (with points, not cash) but I'm saving those for international travel. Four hours in the back of a 757 ORD<->SNA is manageable; double the points for first class isn't value for money domestically in my opinion - I can't even have a glass of vino as I need to drive at the other end so what's the point?!

Back to the original problem: if the Hoosier is saved then no problem. Failing that, the Saluki looks manageable and it shouldn't cost much since Amtrak would have voided the original contract - but I don't want to end up on the later Thruway bus direct from Indianapolis to Chicago. In addition, I can't seem to test book the Thruway bus from Indianapolis to Champaign, even by starting from the intermediate stop.

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OK Mr. Mayo, so you are flying into KSNA vice KLAX. I guess using Santa Ana John Wayne allows you to avoid 405 congestion.

Guess what volks, when I last used the White Glove car service, that was March returning on a Sunday from KMIA, the wine offered was of least airline quality (Berringer Chardonnay) and otherwise comp, but were paid for with the Driver's tip. I only drank one. Owing to a somewhat delayed flight from KMIA, I'd 'had two' with a nice lady (going to KIAH) prior to the flight.

So far as booking the bus, I also tried from Danville (DVI) to CHI and no luck. The system did take a DVI-NOL booking, but hold your hat for this one: DVI-8890-IND-50-CVL-19-NOL. I think you should phone if serious about IND-CMP-CHI, or just buy a separate bus ticket from Trailways and same from Amtrak. The station at Champaign is an intermodal facility.

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SNA is slightly nearer than LAX but the wife does not like driving to meet me at the latter. Neither involve the 405 fortunately. As it happens there are two direct flights LAX-IND (DL and AA) but not the $7.50 plus points. ONT is another option but often involves a change at SLC on Delta.

I'll wait and see on the Hoosier situation. I suspect I'll still have several options right up to even the day before travel.

Thanks for the information about Champaign's intermodal facility - that was something I'd not been able to ascertain.

Change of subject since you mentioned United earlier. Recently we came back from IAH on United. The car rental company actually dropped us at the terminal (6, I think) in our hire car as we had kids - worthy of a tip which seemed genuinely unexpected by the driver. What I thought was a United employee took our bags while I was still unloading the kids and checked the bags - ie curbside check-in I guess. However, as I was walking away he called me back by name and pointed at the tip jar. By that time I'd run out of cash and offered a few quarters to which he said "I don't want that". Somewhat ashamed I walked away but got in touch with United who said that United employees aren't allowed to solicit tips which he quite clearly did. They said he might have been a Skycap. Do Skycaps check bags - as in weigh them, tag them, and put them on the conveyer belt?

The fact he specifically called me back to give him a tip is, in my, mind downright rude anyway as it put me on the spot and I was the one that was embarrassed after the event. Yes, I know I come from a country that tips moderately for service going the extra mile, not just because it's expected, but I still don't think this situation was right.

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Geoff--

Just curious, when was this? The Skycaps at LAX, at least at Continental/United (Terminals 6, 7 & 8) were contract employees and appreciated tips but never solicited them. The "Ex-Con" in the house would like to know a little more. He thinks they were laid off except for a few who handle the "Global Services" passengers.

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Frank, this would have been in late July of this year. I don't mind if there's a tip jar, as indeed I did see it while waiting for him to finish tagging the bags. It was more the fact he called me back with the sole purpose of extracting a tip - and my tip wasn't good enough.

As I hinted at earlier, I don't mind tipping where it's required, as in waiters paid below minimum wage - even though that appears to be open to massive abuse and exploitation given the stories a waitress was glibly informing me.

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Getting shaken dow at an airport? Ouch, that's a new one on me. Hopefully your accent let him know you are a European where tipping beyond the built in 'service' is quite anciliary.

Of course, I've found 'over there' they will still. I can recall at Sevilla going to a restaurant with American friends, professors at the American University there; my offer to 'pick it up' was greatfully accepted (CPA; starving professors?); and would you believe it, even though I noted the check had Service included, they brought my American Express ticket back with the tip line open. With local help, I did not fall for it.

At airports, Skycaps are customarily tipped, but it should be with an 'accepted; not expected' attitude.

Flight Attendants are part of an aircrew and subject to Hours of Service (legal; they call it) and are no more tipped than is the Captain. On my most recent flight HPN-ORD 06AUG, the Attendant on United's puddle jumper gave exceptional service to all. My Flight Attendant neighbor/friend with 'real United' (she flies overseas) said to write a letter in her behalf. My first comment was 'to whom; United or ExpressJet'? 'The latter'.

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I'm still not clear whether it was a SkyCap or a United employee. However, upon searching, Wikipedia informs me that they "Perform curb side check-in" and "Work[s] for tip[s]" which are: "tips of $1-2 US per bag are common". And, elsewhere, that they are paid below minimum wage to account for tips that they would receive.

At least in hotels I've always had an offer accepted before my bags were whisked away: not so in this case, as they were on the cart before I'd got the kids out the car and realized what was going on. So in effect I didn't have any choice in the matter - either ask him to take them off again which is embarrassing, or submit to the tip. Now I just feel scammed as at-cost service was rendered without my permission, underpaid or not.

Anyway, back to the original topic, it seems some bigwigs had a meeting in Lafayette today. Whether that was reminiscent of the committee meetings in Monty Python's Life of Brian remains to be seen.

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quote:
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Of course, I've found 'over there' they will still. I can recall at Sevilla going to a restaurant with American friends, professors at the American University there; my offer to 'pick it up' was greatfully accepted (CPA; starving professors?); and would you believe it, even though I noted the check had Service included, they brought my American Express ticket back with the tip line open. With local help, I did not fall for it.

I've seen that trick pulled here in the US, in the UK, in Europe, in Asia - everywhere. However, I suspect that the computerized tills simply add it automatically so one can't necessarily blame the server.

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Geoff, I am a little worried about you taking a train to catch a plane same day. Anything can happen!

But in downtown Chicago, if you have time, I recommend the architecture tours of the Chicago Architecture Society, which is cattycorner from the Art Institute in the old Santa Fe Building on Michigan Av (Michigan at Jackson, I think). The early skyscraper tour in the morning and the Downtown Deco tour are best--there's also one with the later architecture, but I don't like that. They also have a tour from Loop--you meet at a certain station. And a boat tour, from Michigan Av at Wacker . . . . this is just GREAT if you can do it. Pricier, but hotel concierges may have discounts.

If you have less time, I'd recommend just walking to lake, viewing skyline, and going into the Cultural Center opposite Millennium Park to see skylight on third floor etc. View the film The Untouchables (the one with Sean Connery) for scenes of this and other downtown Chicago gems.

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Thanks, sojourner, but the trains involved are not long distance and even the Saluki could be 3.5 hours late before my flight connection looks doubtful. There are also Greyhound and/or Megabus options if the train doesn't even turn up, or doesn't look like it'll turn up within a couple of hours of schedule.

I've also been to Chicago several times, for conventions and for vacations. This is why I didn't mention seeing anything there. But I would like to see some train action out in the 'burbs if I can.

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I wrote to Amtrak asking if they knew when a decision would be made on the Hoosier, not really expecting any useful reply in response. I wasn't disappointed. I suppose the powers-that-be can decide right up until the hours before the train is potentially terminated.

I also subjected myself to twittification and Facebook notification.

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Deadline extension possible on fate of Amtrak’s Hoosier State. No comment from me, just hope!

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