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Posted by Gilbert B Norman (Member # 1541) on :
 
To date, there has been no discussion here regarding the Chester PA fatal incident involving The Palmetto 89 (3). Possibly just as well, as the only information available has been from general circulation media. However, TRAINS newswire has now reported and brings insight that media simply does not:

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2016/04/04-palmetto-update

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Now what appears interesting is that the outside contractor, LORAM - the operator of the track machinery in the area is somehow involved even if the backhoe has been reported to have been operated by the deceased Amtrak employees. It appears that there is another donkey waiting to say "ouch" when the tail gets pinned on it.
 
Posted by palmland (Member # 4344) on :
 
It looks like PTC is no match with what appears to be human error.
 
Posted by Geoff Mayo (Member # 153) on :
 
The quote contains statements which, to me, sound like partial speculation ("from what I understand", "it looks like", ACSES vs shunting cables).

So I'll stick to what I assume are facts. Firstly, from reading the above it would seem that 4m59s of a digger hanging out over an active running line is perfectly okay. When I posed this to a safety assessor in the UK he asked "which 5 minutes is safe?" (rhetorical question - there is NO safe five minutes. Expect a train on any line in any direction at any time) - and in the UK the adjacent lines would be closed. I asked another safety assessor in Australia and his response was that the adjacent lines would have been closed or subject to a severe speed restriction.

Frankly, this was an accident just waiting to happen. And it just did. Will the appropriate authorities demand rule changes to limit the chances of this happening again?

With regards to ACSES/PTC/ETCS, none would cater for the situation of the boom of a crane, or the rear end of a digger/backhoe simply fouling the air above a track. With correct use of a shunting device - same anywhere that is track circuited - this would have dropped the track circuit (showing as not clear) and, depending on the signalling system, would show either a stop or a restricting aspect on the protecting signals.
 
Posted by Gilbert B Norman (Member # 1541) on :
 
Safely Rules are written in blood:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/in-transit/Feds-confirm-Amtrak-failed-to-follow-safety-rules-in-fatal-train-crash.html
 


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