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Posted by Gilbert B Norman (Member # 1541) on :
 
Interesting article appearing in the Travel Section of Today's Times:

http://nytimes.com/2016/05/29/travel/europe-train.html

The reporters, I presume "post college, pre life", do not appear to be fans, but rather two folks who wanted to "do Europe on the cheap". The trains were simply the means to the end.

However, here is an ominous Fair Use quotation for anyone, especially a fan, who might be contemplating such a marathon:


 
Posted by George Harris (Member # 2077) on :
 
What were the ridership figures and ridership trends?
 
Posted by Gilbert B Norman (Member # 1541) on :
 
Mr. Harris, I can only conclude that, away from some select routes, especially on Great Britain, where there really is not any HSR, that the European overnight train is today in the same state as was it over here circa 1960. Still there on select routes, but the Pullman consists were rapidly declining.

Back in the days when I did marathons overseas (Econoclass flights but First Class Eurailpass, eat, sleep, drink, trains), I can recall 1971 seeing overnight trains such as Blue Train Paris Lyon-Nice stretching "out of sight"; same for Paris-Rome Palatino. I recall a 1960 ride on the Orient Express behind steam Paris Est to Stuttgart (pick up the Bennie for the rest of the family trip), even if I did not note any kind of Luxotrain.

On the 71 marathon, I did Nice to Rome - an overnight that The Times noted is now gone, I don't think there is any HSR -certainly not along the Italian West Coast, where there were beautiful views.

But today, now that after a 24 year hiatus, I am giving overseas travel another crack, 0 dark 30 is in a Four (not Five) Star hotel - not down at the Bahnhof watching and/or riding EuroNight Trains.

I can recall on my 1990 trip, which really wasn't a marathon, being "homeless in Berlin" for twelve some hours after getting kicked out of the hotel at Noon and when the TEN (Tren Euro Nacht, Trn Euro Nuit) left for Paris at Midnight.
 
Posted by Geoff Mayo (Member # 153) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Gilbert B Norman:
Mr. Harris, I can only conclude that, away from some select routes, especially on Great Britain, where there really is not any HSR

Really?! 725 miles of 125mph and another 60 of 186mph not good enough for you? (HS1 runs out of land by the 70 mile mark, hence its apparent shortness).

But yes, undoubtedly high speed rail across Europe is shortening journey times. Sleeper trains tend to use the classic lines and are often limited in speed (restricted to 80mph in the UK) simply to avoid arriving too early the following morning. Crew costs for night runs are more expensive than daytime, and daily vehicle utilisation is low - typically less than 50% which is much lower than the 60-70% desired by most operators. An idle train earns no money.
 


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