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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gilbert B Norman: [QB] Smitty, it is the same issue regarding contracting out that confronted Amtrak when they attempted to do such with a Subway franchisee to provide Food & Beverage on NY-Albany trains. But on the other hand, Amtrak was able to contract out F&B on the Downeaster in that it was a new service. The B&M last ran a passenger train on that Boston-Portland ME route during 1961, and at that time it was Coach only Budd RDC's. There was an overnight train, the State of Maine, that folded during 1960; that did offer Bar and Breakfast service to Sleeping Car passengers using Agreement Pullman Company employees. It seems as if most of these PV moves are beyond the scope of point to point service such as Mr. Ellis envisions operating. Furthermore, what's in it for Amtrak to press the issue with the ASWC? There are simply other battles to win. Some Union officials could consider that end-to-end represented an acquiescence on the part of the Employees, but that appears carved in stone to the extent it could be considered precedent if any case of such were progressed off the property to a Board under the Act. As I noted at the TRAINS blog, possibly Amtrak would have no particular issue if the Agreement Employees on their property were agreeable, but I guarantee you they would not be. It would simply be the first step to have Amtrak contract out ALL OBS activities - and not necessarily using Agreement employees. It's a non-start. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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