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[QUOTE]Originally posted by irishchieftain: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by MontanaJim: [i] [QUOTE]One thing that is lost on the Ukraine dilemma is the false notion that it must belong to one bloc or the other. Why can it not be purely sovereign and independent?[/QUOTE]It can. One side is trying to force its will on Ukraine. One. The other is helping to defeat that outside force. Ukraine has wanted to join NATO for years, but NATO has refused. And as one who has spent considerable time in Ukraine, I can tell you most Ukranians dont want to be dominated by the other. Most are virulently anti-Putin, however, and enjoy voting in elections and having other rights. [/i][/QUOTE]What would joining NATO have to do with it? I suppose the notion of independence went over your head here, as well as the other point about Putin using the fact that the promise to Yeltsin to not have any former Soviet-bloc countries join NATO was broken in the same year it was made as his point of demagoguery with respect to his military actions. And of course he demagogues over the Bosnian debacle to this day. And it's not just NATO; Ukrainian membership in the EU would wipe out its sovereignty. So I was quoted, but got no answer. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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