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[QUOTE]Originally posted by George Harris: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Gilbert B Norman: [qb] Again, for ready reference: https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall The Scholars ratings are 1) Lincoln, 2) Washington, 3) FDR, 4) TR, 5) Ike. I said to my Sister: "OK Barbara, you want Trump in those five, who gets displaced?" "Washington; he owned slaves". Of course, that would do nothing for her perceived "travesty", as Obama would become #11 - still in the first Quartile. [/qb][/QUOTE]"Washington, he owned slaves"?? He was not the only early president to own slaves. As to Lincoln being number one, nope. I am not going to try to revise the list, but I would put Washington as number 1, and probably move Lincoln well down it. Read some of his speeches, and the careful wording of the Emancipation Proclamation such that carefully excluded freeing slaves in Kentucky and Maryland. He was a skilled politician, and despite the "log cabin" promotions, quite a wealthy man by the time he became president. FDR? Not so sure. In many ways he gave away the store to Stalin, but many people in the State Department were deluded as to the realities under Communism. Ike was in many ways president like he was general. He played his cards very close to his chest so that many issues were never publicized. I would put him ahead of FDR. My grandfather always insisted Truman should have been considered much more highly as he was the one dealing with the end of war settlements and issues. I think I would go with 1. Washington, 2. Ike, 3. Trump, or maybe even with Trump as No. 2. Not going to try to go further down the list. Had really not given much thought as to who gets displaced to where. We have had quite a few very good presidents, some of which were dealt very bad hands, and a few total losers, of which I consider the present resident of the White House about the bottom if not the absolute bottom of the pack. As to Obama? He should also be near the bottom. I can think of very little he did at all. As to his Nobel Prize? What was that for? Looking pretty? Saying, hey look at me, I am the first black president of the USA? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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