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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mpaulshore: [QB] [b]train lady[/b]'s notion that the verb "to disrespect" "seems to have started in the inner city"--and [b]Gilbert B Norman[/b]'s notion that the verb "was first used by rap lyricists"--and [b]sojourner[/b]'s notion that the full form of the verb, and not just its shortening "to dis", qualifies as "slang"--are all wrong. The online [i]Oxford English Dictionary[/i]'s first example of a use of "to disrespect" is from 1614, followed by examples from 1633, 1683, 1706, 1852, and 1885; in addition, there are examples of the derived adjective "disrespected" from 1640, 1791, and 1876, and an example of the derived noun "(a) disrespecting (of something)" from 1631. Furthermore, the notion of [b]RR4me[/b], [b]Gilbert B Norman[/b], and [b]sojourner[/b] that "to disrespect" was first formed from the noun "disrespect" may well be wrong, seeing as the online [i]OED[/i]'s first known use of that noun is from 1631--[i]seventeen years later than[/i] the first known use of the verb! The [i]OED[/i]'s entry for the noun even explicitly acknowledges that the noun may have been derived from the verb. It's true that "to disrespect" may have been slightly uncommon in the past, and that it owes its surge in popularity in recent years largely to rap artists and African-Americans. There's even some possibility that the late-twentieth-century popularizing of the word was not based on any exposure to earlier uses of it, but represents a recoinage of it--just as some earlier uses, particularly from the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, may represent recoinages as well. But frankly, there's nothing wrong with any of that. It's simply an inherent characteristic of English--just as it's an inherent characteristic, to a greater or lesser degree, of most other human languages as well--that words and word categories have a certain fluidity; and there's no reason to object to new formations as long as they're logical. (As for illogical new formations, sometimes they get ridiculed out of existence within a short time, and sometimes they get past that barrier and become lodged in the language for decades or centuries.) The moral of all this? Check the facts before you pontificate! Especially when the subject is a much-neglected, much-misunderstood field like linguistics. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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