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I was informed that a Michigan Department of Transportation employee came into the East Lansing Station and told the Amtrak Ticket Agent that the Bluewater will have less ridership then the International train.This M-DOT employee was the one that wanted the Bluewater instead of the International this is not good for the fact that less ridership means it will be hard to get State Funding for the 2 State supported trains for FY 2005 which starts Oct 1 2004.If you want the 2 State supported trains to run in 2005 you must act now or it will be to late and we could loose our trains.

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There may be less ridership on the proposed Blue Water than at present on the International. However, the Blue Water will connect at CHI with everything, the International connects with nothing.

Obviously, the Blue Water can be operated for less than the Intnl, such as only one set of equipment is needed to protect the schedule. Next consider that the Blue Water has the potential to sell a Lansing to LA ticket with incremental additional cost for handling that passenger onward to LA of "zilch".

To elaborate this point further by drawing upon an example from the air transport industry, how can, say, United Airlines choose to subsidize a regional carrier, such as Simmons Airways, to fly a puddle jumper from, for example, Muskegon to O'Hare with how about only four fares aboard? The answer is simply the expectation that one of those fares is flying on to, say, Hong Kong - and United now has that fare in their pocket with, once again, virtually no incremental cost to handle that passenger onward to Hong Kong (OK, I know that passenger could theoretically "interline" at ORD to, say, Cathay Pacific, but what air traveler beyond an "airfan" who want's to add another carrier to his mileage log, is going to 'interline" to someone else unless unavoidable?).

True, no one wants to see a loss of service, but when your back is to the wall (as it will be if not already there as the impact of 3/11 starts to be shown in system ridership declines) and one train is all there can be, you must look for the option that will maximize your revenue.

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Ok this is where it gets confusing the M-DOT employee wants the Blue Water but in order to get that train back he lied to to evreyone about how it would up ridership when he knew all along that it would lower ridership.This person doesn't want a train running through Lansing at all he thinks he can kill the International/ Blue water and use all the States money for the Pere Marquette train but you can't just kill 1 train you have to kill both but he just doesn't understand it.This person is also Anti Ticket Agents He is the Manager of Rail Passenger Services for M-DOT.

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Ot is not United Airllines that is subsidizing the low passenger count puddle jumpers. It is the US taxpayer through what is called "essential air services" What an oxymoron!!
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