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When I first voted at the age of 18 I thought I was a Republican, but now I know better. I viewed our country as having the best overall situation for people to live in in the world and as long as peopled worked hard they would be just fine. I voted only on issues that bothered me one way or another (abortion for an example) not thinking that anything major would effect me one way or another.
However now that I've gotten a better view of the world, things make me sick. It is basically a crime in this country to get sick, because if you do it can all be taken away. My father is the supposed American ideal, a small business owner for quite some time now. But he also has a few minor medical issues that means no normal insurance company will insure him. The only one that will requires a significant portion of his yearly income. The rest of the industrilized world pays less per capita for their health care and actually does have it guarenteed to them. Here a person can fork over their money to pay for insurance, but when they get sick and can't afford it, they can be kicked right off, making all their payments having gone for nothing.
This doesn't even get me started with the war in Iraq that our President has us involved in. He posed no threat to our country, and that is the only purpose that our armed forces should be used for. I don't want anyone telling me otherwise. I mean if you really belived it, you wouldn't be sitting at home on your computer right now, would you?
I'm not holding my breath with all the partisan bickering going on, but I believe putting Democrats back in control is the only decent chance our country has to save itself from decline.
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If you like high medical costs, you will love the John & John team. Remember Edwards has gotten rich off of suing doctors and hospitals. Where do you think these multimillion dollar judgements come from? The insurance companies. Where do you think they get it? By charging high rates. How do those rates get paid? By incresing doctors' and hospitals' fees. Who pays them? YOU DO!! 'Nuff said, without even mentioning extra tests and other forms of defensive medicine practices so that you can try to show the lawyers you tried to do a good job when things go wrong. If you think medical costs are too high, BLAME THE LAWYERS!
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I agree with you an extent on the role of extensive lawsuits causing a problem with this system. I think it would help prices SOME to eliminate frivilous lawsuits, and settlements that are extensive. But let us not forget that sometimes these suits are justified. If the doctor screws up I should get some sort of compensation. Maybe not 10-15 million, but probably more than the $250,000 cap on settlements that is being proposed by the current administration.
Also, next time current Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is up for election he should be voted out of office as well, especially with your logic being used. He is a doctor and I believe his father owns many FOR PROFIT hospitals across the country. Surely you have to admit there is a conflict of interest there.
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empirebuilder: The $250,000 is for punative damages only.
There is no cap on actual damages, such as hospitals, continuing medical treatment, property damage, etc. If that will cost you $5,000,000, you will get it.
Also, most of Congress is made up of lawyers. We have lawyers making the laws they will use to earn their living! Talk about your massive conflict of interests!
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Lawyers, doctors, oil men. They seem to be the only ones who are in politics anymore, so no matter what side of the political spectrum one is on, there is some conflict of interest existing
I probably shouldn't have beaten this dead horse of a topic back to the top of the page. Unless someone says something that I feel merits a response I think myself and everyone else should leave this alone from now on. It's not the reason we come to this particular forum.
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We'll have a forum in Liberty.com soon enough so how about saving your political thoughts for that place and keep rail conversation in RAILforum.com.
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note to jay........I'm also a junior member and agree with you. I'm a proud Canadian and I find it very amusing when I read the comments posted. I would love to argue with writers on the policies of Canada and U.S. on Free Trade, Iraq, Social Issues, Education, and especially medical care.
oh yes I almost forgot, relationships with foreign countries, .........however lets keep these forums open to rail related matters only.
quote:Originally posted by mikesmith: I wonder why no "reb" has responded...
One word: Appomattox.
But honestly, much of the commentary here is about as convincing and substantive as the spelling of this topic is correct. Enlightened minds can make cases for both sides of this polarized election. But too often, our ideas--and decisions at the polls--come from the darkest pits of our guts.
The undoing of America will come not from Democrats or Republicans. It will come from us and our damn idiotic squabbling.
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I thought several had, but then some of us do know how to write a literate sentence, so maybe you didn't notice because we did not fit your prejudices.
No apologies for being one, either.
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Reb is short for Rebel. My father considered it a somewhat low-class term for those who supported or were part of the Confederacy. He was right, but it is a very minor issue. We were no more rebels than John Adams, Patrick Henry, et al when they rebeled against England. The only difference is, we lost. To the best of my knowledge, my ancestry from that time were supporters of the Confederacy, even those who felt the cause was hopeless. Most of those in my ancestry that served were in the Army of Tennessee, some in Georgia troops, and at least one that rode with Nathan Forrest. No Yankees to my knowledge in either my or my wife's ancestry.
I will not get into the driving reasons here, but slavery was primarily the propoganda issue. Remember, history books are written by winners, and in the case of the US, apparently primarily in Boston, which is why the Pilgrims are given large play in the History books even though they ended up in Massachusetts primarily due to bad navigation or desperation (their objective was Virginia) as the Jamestown settlement had been in place for over 10 years. It has been said that the state with the largest number of revolutionary battlefields was New Jersey, and the final battle where Cornwallis surrenedered was in Virginia. Ask the Canadians their version of the war of 1812. The one I heard is that it was fought between the US and Canada and Canada won, otherwise, in their opinion Canada would not exist as a separate entity, but would be part of the US. Maybe not too far fetched considering the expansionist tendencies of some at the time. It has been well said that the War Between the States was actually fought over a verb tense, whether the United States "is" or the United States "are".
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You'd be suprized at what bush did to this country, they even have the video of bush being told about the Planes hitting the building then doing nothing, then the footage when the tell him the second plane had hit, and he still did nothing
------------------ JONATHON D. ORTIZ
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This is fiction. Actually, it is beyond that, it is propoganda. It is not in any sense a documentary as it postures itself to be. Read some of the discussions on this movie. Many, probably most, if not all of the events in the movie have been fictionailzed and mangled beyond all recognition to fit Moore's objective.
One item of explanation: If a person is defined as a political figure, the laws of libel and slander virtually do not apply, so Moore can create any scenario he likes without worrying about those he lied about taking him to court.
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George we must have had the same US History teacher i agree completley that movie was a waste of film no matter what party you believe in the movie was edited to one mans likeing. interesting comments from those who have not even taken a US constitution test much less a goverment class
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I had hoped we could avoid partisan bickering (see my earlier post) but here we are again. Mr. Harris, my ancestors fought on both sides in the Civil War, but I wholly agree with your take on history. The Yankees could have hired Mr. Moore to write the history books. We celebrate "Thanksgiving" but there is no national celebration of the landing at Jamestown. The reason for this is as you say.
Now, for a real trivia question (also relevant to your point about the winners writing the history). What was the first permanent European settlement in North America? (hint: it was neither Plymouth nor Jamestown, and it's still inhabited)
To bring this back to trains, it is also served by a U.S. railroad (and not by carfloat, either).
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I, too, think we ought to get off the politics - not getting anywhere but using up space. So I'll rise to the challenge of this religious question: how about St. Paul, and to qualify for one of the scarlet letters, San Antonio. I'm at a loss for the other one but just to "play the game" St. Albans!
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Gad! Mr. Norman, I thought you were a CPA - why can't we have number-type questions from you? I'm much better at those!
OK, St. Paul certainly fits the parameters of part of your question. And I see that there's a Santa Paula, CA on the Amtrak list and a San Pedro - does that count? But I don't seem to be able to come up with the Scarlet Letter part. You've got to give me part credit anyway, right?
It's 5:30 EDT (martini time). I'll have to check in later and see how compassionate you are.
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Closer than St Paul, except that Amtrak does not serve Agusta, GA.
I'm looking for three STATIONS, at which trains stop, not religious figures.
You have been very close, Mr. Black.
Hint: I don't mean to talk religion around here, but my church, Episcopalian (Anglican), also recognizes Saints.
Note: This is not impossible, I guarantee you there is another Member here, who may or may not choose to participate, for whom this is a "who is buried in Grant's Tomb?" quiz question.
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I think Mr. Norman is referring to Albany-Rensselaer, NY, St. Albans, VT, and Albany, OR. The honoree: St. Alban, a 4th-Century Romano-Briton soldier who sheltered a Christian priest, converted, and for his troubles promptly became the island's first martyr.
And speaking of Saints, North America's first permanent European settlement (per Mr. Resor's question) is named after one, too: St Augustine, FL. Founded by Spain in 1565. Also home to one of North America's oldest surviving railroad companies, the Florida East Coast.
For the next question, inarguable, inoffensive geography: What state contains the easternmost portion of the US?
Hint: It has passenger trains, but none named "Downeaster."
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To answer rresor's question, and I am guessing, St. Augustine, Florida. The Spanish were way ahead of the English in getting to North America. Remember, the southern border of the North American continent is not the Rio Grande, but the border between Panama and Columbia.
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"I think Mr. Norman is referring to Albany-Rensselaer, NY, St. Albans, VT, and Albany, OR. The honoree: St. Alban, a 4th-Century Romano-Briton soldier who sheltered a Christian priest, converted, and for his troubles promptly became the island's first martyr"
BINGO, Mr. JFB
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JFB - the state with the easternmost portion of the United States is ALASKA!! (the Aleutians cross into the eastern hemisphere, and Alaska does have passenger trains!)
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Mr. Harris, you claim the prize. I was indeed thinking of St. Augustine, founded in 1535, about 70 years before Jamestown and nearly a century before those boring Pilgrims landed on the "Plymouth Pebble".
As you pointed out earlier, the victors write the textbooks.
And Gilbert, you know of my relationship to St. Alban, and that's who I would have guessed if someone had not gotten there first. St. Albans is obvious, but Albany? I don't actually think that name has anything directly to do with St. Alban.
As to your quiz question, the answer is Columbus. Amtrak does stop at Columbus, WI, but not at Columbus, OH or Columbus, GA (or for that matter at Columbus, MS).
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A BINGO for Mr. Resor, even though it was not where I had in mind.
My question was flawed, so let me try again.
Name three Stations (as defined in the Book of Rules) all with the same name at which passenger trains (once again, as defined in the Book of Rules) stop, where Amtrak goes through all three, yet makes a station stop (defined, guess where; the Book) at only one.
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Alaska is correct. You can't get more east than the easternmost part of the Eastern Hemisphere. If the Aleut made cigars, you’d get one.
Mr. Resor:
Albany, NY works within the parameters of Mr. Norman's question. Though not named directly for the saint, it was named in honor of James II of England, who at the time was Duke of St. Albans. Namesake by proxy. I don’t know about Albany, OR, but since the British held claim to the Oregon Territory in the late 18th/early 19th Centuries, I'd imagine the nomenclature is the same.
By the way, I think St. Augustine was founded in 1565, not 1535. Still beats Jamestown by a generation.
Cortez first visited Mexico (city) during 1519 (source: Encarta), it's in North America and the TFM has a substantive American interest.
However, I grant that St Augustine is a better answer. FEC is substantially owned by US interests (can't say exactly how much, stockholder listings, unless the interest is substantive, are private).
Mr. JFB--
You too get a bingo, even if it wasn't what I had in mind. I'd best withdraw the question.
I had in mind Riverside, CT (Corridor MNCR stops, Amtrak doesn't), IL (METRA stops, Amtrak doesn't), CA (both Amtrak and Metrolink stop).
I once remember posing the question before Amtrak added Riverside CA as a stop for the Chief. Then the question was three passenger stations, three states, Amtrak goes through but stops at NONE.
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Alas, I forfeit the bingo. Ontario isn't a state. I wouldn't have guessed Riverside. Didn't even know it was on the New Haven.
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