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Apologies for not being train related but I regard the forum members as good friends who are best placed to answer a question about America.
Is it a legal requirement in the US that the incoming President says "so help me God"? In the UK you are still required to swear an oath for some forms of Government office, being a member of Parliament and for things like jury service and legal declarations etc but the law was changed some years ago after legal challenges to allow an "affirmation" which removed God from the pledge. As church going is far more prevalent in the US than the UK (by about 5 to 1) it's doubtful whether somebody who was openly atheist/agnostic could ever get elected but should it happen what would be the position?
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I believe, Mr. Williams, the line you note can be deleted and still be a valid oath; one can also affirm if they choose not to swear. But as you note, religion is far more part of the fabric of our lives (it is of mine) than is the case in Western Europe.
Incidentally, because of the "flub' by both Chief Justice Roberts and President Obama in the oath, it was administered again privately yesterday - this time without a hitch.
However, the oath is simply a ceremonial ritual, as Mr. Obama became the 44th President at 12N, oath or no, while a recording of the John Williams arrangement of the Shaker melody "Gift to be Free" was being played and four highly accomplished musicians "performed" a pantomime (hello, Milli Vanilli).
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"So help me God" is not a Constitutional requirement for the oath of President or Vice President, however it is an acceptable addition, depending on the preference of the person taking the Oath of Office. President George Washington was the first President to use that addition, including taking the Oath with his hand on a Bible.
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Article II, Section 1, Clause 8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
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I have seen a lot of inaugurations (on TV of course) in this life - in fact, all since Eisenhower (for Truman during 1949, I recall a TV set up in the Grade School Auditorium - it was just a big box with a neon bluish light in the center). Even if there might be less than "Big Love' between Chief Justice Roberts and President Obama, they both are Americans - and statesmen. I think CJ Roberts "congratulations Mr President" was heartfelt.
Rhenquist swearing in Clinton was clearly less so.
But the most 'icy" swearing-in I can recall (I was age 11) was that of CJ Vinson (Truman appointee) administering the oath to Eisenhower during 1953. The Chief Justice very icily said "YOU, Dwight David Eisenhower.....'. I cannot recall if they even shook hands.
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Required or not, and exist or not, Obama can use all the help he can get!
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