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We are looking more and more like some banana republic or other country led by some want to be dictator which has prostituted the press and the court system to prosecute their opposition and ignore any illegal acts of their compatriots. Their first success was electing an incompetent "community organizer" as president mainly by labeling anyone opposing as "racist" to squelch anyone pointing out his inadequacies. Now the concept of the Democrat Party and the media whih for the most part is essentially their lapdog is to try to get people to lookie lookie at Trump to try to obscure the multitudinous malfeances of Joe Biden, ete al. More and more I see current of the office as a geriatric nincompoop who, or his handlers or puppetmasters, has made some of the worst decisions in the country's history. While I may have pulled the lever for Trump in 2016 as the least bad, he proved himself far ahead of both his 2016 competition and the current White House occupant. As this point I do not see Biden or any of the potential Democrat party alternatives that my gag reflex would allow me to vote for.
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First, a thanks to the Barista who got WiFi "up and running" on my phone.
Yesterday. On the "jam-packed" train from Munich, I was seated with three English speaking, university graduates, Georgians (2 gals, guy).
We talked at their invitation, politics. They are aware of Trump's bombast that he'd end The War in 24 hours, resulting in Ukraine’s fall. They all said they're fearful Trump is going to win, and if that being the case, to Putin "we're next".
So much for "things 1100 miles from The Front".
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Mr. Harris, I 'm afraid anyone unfamiliar with the views you and Mr. Helfner hold, could look at that statement and conclude it was directed towards someone other than your intent.
quote:Originally posted by George Harris: We are looking more and more like some banana republic or other country led by some want to be dictator which has prostituted the press and the court system to prosecute their opposition and ignore any illegal acts of their compatriots.
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quote:A second Trump term “would be different from the first, and much worse,” said Thomas Kleine-Brockhoff, a former German government official who is now with the German Marshall Fund in Berlin. “Trump has experience now and knows what levers to pull, and he’s angry,” he said.
Mr. Kleine-Brockhoff said he remembered talking with then-Chancellor Angela Merkel the night she returned from her first meeting with Mr. Trump as president. As usual, she was “all about managing the man as she had managed dozens of powerful men,” he said. “But no one will think” they can manage “Trump Two.”
As it can be seen from my Dateline, "over there" is presently my "over here".
While I'm not about to suggest "they're lining up" to talk with me about anything, some talk is simply unavoidable.
My "on the ground consensus" is that the article is "on mark".
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Funny they throw around the term “worse” without saying what was “bad” in the first place. The EU, which is an imperialist project designed to empower Germany at the expense of its other member states but the USA particularly, need things to go “worse” for their goals, and I speak as one who is outraged at what they have done to Ireland.
Well, back on topic: Some on the left find Trump’s Fulton County GA mugshot unnerving, particularly after all the phony mugshots that depict him with a defeated look on his face.
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Well Mr. Helfner, at least Donald John and his cohorts were not required to change into that "Orangewear" and have "full frontal and sides" taken.
Also regarding the EU, the Republic chose to stay in; a handy time to have pulled out would have been when the Brexit initiative moved forth, but obviously, they held their best interests were to stay in.
Funny, how when I was "over", I did not meet a Brit who was particularly happy about how things have turned out. Just think, an economy as sick as any in Europe, and the inconvenience of having to have a passport, instead of a simple EU ID, now to travel to Salzburg or anywhere else on the Contiment.
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IMI (repeat) THESE ARE JOURNAL COLUMNISTS
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Yes; the same Journal whose editorial board demanded “a five-word Constitutional amendment: ‘There shall be open borders’” three years after I graduated high school (cf. “The communists are further reproached for desiring to abolish countries and nationality” from the Manifesto).
The Republic of Ireland staying in the EU served the interests only of the political class. Control of its borders was ripped away by their foreign masters also; I also do not see how that is in the country’s interest any more than foreign fishing boats in Irish waters per the so-called Common Fisheries Policy, or so many other collectivist abuses.
quote:What will be the attitude of communism to existing nationalities?
The nationalities of the peoples associating themselves in accordance with the principle of community will be compelled to mingle with each other as a result of this association and thereby to dissolve themselves, just as the various estate and class distinctions must disappear through the abolition of their basis, private property.
The WSJ editorial board aligns itself with this goal of the communists directly via their demand for an open borders amendment.
Edit #2: To drag us back on topic, former RNC chairman Michael Steele appeared on MSNBC and fearmongered the notion that Trump may suddenly make himself “president for life” if re-elected.
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Mr.Helfner, while not sure what this is all about, it certainly appears that Trump could not accept he lost the Election and was prepared to try to suspend the Constitution that determined he lost.
He certainly had it drilled into him at an early age that "you never lose".
On that point, the high note of that s%&tshow otherwise referred to as a Debate (I had just gotten back from overseas and can't promise anyone as to my state of mind) was Gov. Christie praising Vice President Pence for putting the Constitution first, even though that document would have him unemployed two weeks later.
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Not accepting an election loss per se is not a crime any more than seeking verification of election results after a highly-unusually-conducted election. If the former were criminal, then people like Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams should have been indicted if not subsequently convicted.
Going back to CNN and their old mendacious headline, Trump clearly stated, rather than say the Constitution must be terminated to guarantee him an undeniable win (CNN guilty of putting words in his mouth), that the act of committing fraud woud enable the termination of the Constitution by the fraudsters, since it would be the first stage of a coup du publique. Hopefully it is not too late to heed that warning.
PS. What Christie praised Pence for is the opposite of what the Constitution says. Not to mention, Pence denied the people the day in Congress he openly promised them on 01/04/2021, to wit:
quote:“I know we all have got our doubts about the last election. I want to assure you that I share the concerns of millions of Americans about voting irregularities. I promise you, come this Wednesday, we will have our day in Congress!”
That day never came, thanks to Mr. Pence.
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quote:Originally posted by irishchieftain: The Republic of Ireland staying in the EU served the interests only of the political class. Control of its borders was ripped away by their foreign masters also; I also do not see how that is in the country’s interest any more than foreign fishing boats in Irish waters per the so-called Common Fisheries Policy, or so many other collectivist abuses.
One Irish man I was working with at the time of Ireland's entrance into the EU said they should change their name to the "Republic of Esau." Recall the Bible story how Esau sold his birthright as oldest son for a good meal. (Genesis Chapter 25, particularly verse 34: "Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentiles; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus Esau despised his birthright." (KJV)) His feeling was that Ireland had sold their independence for some hope of financial gain. (If your freedom is not more valuable than what is in your wallet, you do not deserve freedom.)
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After reading Maureen's thoughts on this past Thursday's events, lest we forget they could have had him and his accomplices dress up in Orange and have full frontal and side photos taken.
However, lest we not forget this tagline:
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Maureen seems more deliberately mendacious than usual in that latest screed. Hopefully Brutus’ curse upon Cassius does not fall upon her next time she feels splenetic, for her sake (Act IV Scene II).
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Newsweek notes that arresting and indicting Trump is actually not reinforcing Democratic voters, but alienating them.
quote:A majority of Democrat voters who backed President Joe Biden in 2020 think the investigations and criminal indictments against Donald Trump constitute “an interference in the 2024 presidential election,” according to a new poll conducted exclusively for Newsweek.
The Redfield & Wilton Strategies survey reveals a majority in every age group, gender and geographic location, except for the Northeast, think Trump’s ongoing legal difficulties constitute election interference in a major boost to the Republican frontrunner. …
The Redfield & Wilton Strategies poll found an average of 59 percent of Americans believed the four cases are an interference, versus 19 percent who disagreed, while another 22 percent said they didn't know. …
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"Real Republicans" - those who hold to the traditional cornerstones - fiscal responsibility, strong foreign policy, conservative values - can take heart from the views held by one Journal columnist and their Editorial Board:
quote:The good news for the party is that this was a solid event, showcasing several capable, qualified and at times inspiring contenders for the Oval Office. Donald Trump chose to duck the debate, and one consequence was that he was largely reduced to an afterthought. The eight participants instead sparred over their own differences—on domestic policy, global involvement, priorities and qualifications.
Nikki Haley was notably adult. The former South Carolina governor and United Nations ambassador showed a command not only of policy issues, but of her own convictions. She broke with the others to make a compelling case for Republicans to approach the divisive issue of abortion with more compassion, and to leave the tough particulars to the states. She called instead for federal lawmakers to focus on widely held “consensus” views—on late-term abortions, the merits of adoption, the need for available contraception.
quote:Ms. Haley’s honesty didn’t stop there. “Donald Trump added $8 trillion to our debt,” she said. “You look at the 2024 budget: Republicans asked for $7.4 billion in earmarks. Democrats asked for $2.8 billion. So you tell me who are the big spenders.” Those figures are backed by a Roll Call story last month: “House Republicans have so thoroughly stacked the earmarking deck in their favor in appropriations bills for the upcoming fiscal year that the top Democratic recipient doesn’t even appear in the top 60.”
Then there was the elephant not in the room, as Fox News host Bret Baier put it, meaning former President Trump. “Three-quarters of Americans don’t want a rematch between Trump and Biden,” Ms. Haley said. “And we have to face the fact that Trump is the most disliked politician in America. We can’t win a general election that way.”
All told; "Nikki, Nikki, she's our gal."
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I would say that such real Republicans so defined eschewed any Murdoch-controlled publications decades ago, particularly now under the dominion of liberal heir Lachlan.
The low-rated debate was also eschewed by such conservatives, mostly for the same reason but also because of the connections of participants to left-wing donors and/or ideology. The biggest strike against the debates would be ignoring the elephant in the room whose name starts with the sixth letter of the alphabet.
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Mr. Helfner, I'm with your thoughts regarding the Debates. "We're here to discuss the issues" in a mature and respectful manner so a voter can determine amongst the several candidates who best will put forth their "personal agenda" should they be elected.
The best one I can recall meeting that end was a V-P debate during 2K between Lieberman and Cheney, where both were seated at a "Meet The Press" or other Sunday talk show stage set discussing the issues. The moderator was "just kind of there".
These Jerry Springer charades with their hooting and screaming audiences do nothing to accomplish those ends. All they do is decide who is the best showman.
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Time to "resurrect" this topic in that a jury has been seated and opening statements are to be presented in the matter of People (NY) v. Trump.
Even The Times holds the Felony case against Mr. Trump is weak (the charge, Falsifying Records is generally brought as a Misdemeanor and "the romp", if consensual, is not a crime) and if somehow it results in a conviction, such would likely be overturned on the certain appeal.
Now it is true that this, just like the Georgia case, is a State case. As such, should Donald Trump again be addressed Mr. President come January, he cannot pardon himself should there be an upheld conviction.
And finally, for those who have little or nothing to do with their day, no TV unlike OJ.
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The wording of Article II Section 2 says “offenses against the United States” and does not specifically say “federal” anything, to be frank; the Supreme Court has not ever ruled on this, but rather the source of this assertion is the opinion of the Department of Justice, which was not established by the US Constitution.
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Mr. Helfner, while it appears roundabout, it is the language of Article 2 that empowers the President to establish Departments as he pleases. However of course, Congress funds these Departments, so we are back to a "no tickie, no washie":
quote:He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
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There is nothing in there as to the establishment of infinite executive departments, even by Congress. Certainly nothing in the Constitution about Congress delegating de facto legislative power to those departments (which makes them a mere rubber stamp for an overpowered executive that is not given any legislative power whatsoever by the Constitution, and there is a big reason for that); any executive departments are charged to follow the Take Care clause of Article 2 Section 3 since they are under the command of the POTUS, in addition, and not become a law unto themselves.
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At this time, here are my predictions regarding the outcomes of the several criminal matters pending against Mr. Trump:
S of NY v. Trump; 50-50 chance of conviction. 100% of overturn on appeal. It's simply a weak case arising from a "consensual romp" which, in itself is not a crime, as well as falsification of business records, which is usually a misdemeanor. Had the "hush money" (sorry, Mr. Helfner; but right or wrong, the term is actively used when addressing this matter) been paid out of Mr. Trump's personal pocket without any kind of reimbursement from the Organization, this matter would have never seen the light of day.
US v. Trump; the Defense has maneuvered enough delay tactics such as having the US Supreme Court (five Justices aligned with Trump) rule upon "immunity" so that the trial will not start until after the Elections.
US v. Trump, Nauta, and De Oliveira; this matter in Florida, presided over by a Trump appointed Judge, has too been delayed account a volume of motions submitted by the Defense and, too, will not start until after Election Day.
Trump will win the Election "decisively but not by a landslide" (do not expect another Jan 6 to occur); at that time the Federal charges will be dropped. After all, who does the incoming Attorney General, who presses and withdraws Federal charges at his pleasure, work for?
Oh and almost a postscript: Georgia v. Trump et al will be withdrawn. After all, State level offices are Republican and likely to stay so. Further, sufficient events have occurred regarding this matter to have "persecutorial misconduct" attached to its mishandling.
disclaimer: author's Presidential voting record to date is 7R, 7D, 1I
addendum: author had not read this Journal column prior to posting this material.
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quote:Had the "hush money" (sorry, Mr. Helfner; but right or wrong, the term is actively used when addressing this matter) been paid out of Mr. Trump's personal pocket without any kind of reimbursement from the Organization, this matter would have never seen the light of day
That is an absurd assertion on the part of the prosecution. Turning a non-crime into a crime merely due to the opinion of a prosecutor is attainder. And there is still a difference between so-called “hush money” and perfectly legal nondisclosure agreements without which legal confidentiality could not exist and business could not be done.
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Again Mr. Helfner, this is a weak case, and if the Jury from "deep Blue New York County" does convict, it will be quickly overturned on appeal.
After Stephanie/Stormy, what can Mickey Cohen come up with to convince the Appellate Court?
Now on the classified matter, when it was found at "Lake by the Sea", did Trump instantly cooperate (such as did Joe) to return it to the National Archives? Uh, don't think so. This is the one that I think he is most vulnerable to an upheld Appeal on. What if any of us here such as Sgt. Norman, 1st Lt (Capt ?) Harris, Capt. Ocala Mike, or "Chicken" ("Full Bird"?) Col. Pullman, and anyone else who wore the uniform of our country and with a security clearance, had we done same maybe they'd let us out of Leavenworth by now!!!
That's the one I'd like to see him go down for, but alas, it will never come to trial.
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Trump was fully cooperative with the National Archives, who made a false assertion when it came to documents that were in fact declassified. When the National Archives becomes politicized, then we are in deeper trouble than one could heretofore assert, it seems.
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BTW, has anyone made sense of Merchan’s dictates (which he calls “instructions”) to the jury? Looks to me like it’s filled with several violations of the Bill of Rights. Might be a good sign that the jury came back demanding clarifications.
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State of New York v. Donald J Trump is hardly over. Trump is ROR - Released Own Recognizance. The certain appeal will move forth likely over the next presidential term - who is @ 1600 notwithstanding.
The ironic thing about this whole matter is that it could have been entirely avoided if Trump had chosen to pay the hush money from his personal funds. If the Organization was the only source available to him, then simply take a Bonus "grossed up" for Medicare tax and Income Tax withholdings.
To have a consensual romp is not a crime, and to pay another party for an NDA - Non Disclosure Agreement- is also not a crime.
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The whole thing was predicated on whether the alleged misdemeanor was done in order to cover up another crime, which was not disclosed at any time and even not disclosed now.
Juan Merchan violated almost all of Trump’s civil rights from Amendments 1 through 8. There will be a reckoning for this.
PS. The Associated Press website’s front page currently has “Trump found guilty on all counts in hush money case” emblazoned at the top in all caps. Certainly shows their commitment to unbiased reporting, right?
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Los Angeles Times; op-ed is titled “The Guilty Verdict Only Makes Trump Stronger”.
quote:They finally got him. Not on Russia collusion. Ukraine phone calls. Jan. 6 riots. Classified documents. Or mean tweets.
They finally got Donald Trump, after everything, on filing the wrong financial ***-story coverup paperwork.
Who but Donald Trump could even be indicted for such a thing? As CNN’s Fareed Zakaria said a few days ago: “I doubt the New York indictment would’ve been brought against a defendant whose name was not Donald Trump.”
It was jarring to hear my CNN colleague Jake Tapper say “guilty” 34 straight times, as the verdicts rolled in Thursday afternoon. A historic moment that further divided an already divided nation.
And it was equally jarring to see text after text pop up on my phone from decidedly non-MAGA Republicans, but also not Never Trumpers, all sounding the same note: I don’t like this man, and now I think I have to vote for him.
Lest you think that’s just anecdotal or a sign that Scott (Jennings) has weird friends, the Trump campaign reported a deluge of online contributions in the minutes following the verdict crashed their system.
The polling indicates the guilty verdict won’t make much of a difference to how most Americans vote. But Republicans are madder than wet hens that the party’s nominee for president — and, according to the polls, likely the next president of the United States — was indicted for 34 felonies that few can fully explain, in a very Democratic jurisdiction.
Basically, the prosecution argued that Hillary Clinton might have won if Trump hadn’t paid Stormy Daniels for her silence, and so you must convict him for covering up what amounts to a campaign finance violation that he was never charged with or convicted of in the first place. The Department of Justice and Federal Election Commission declined to pursue this novel theory, but it found a home in the Manhattan district attorney’s office.
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Hang tight Mr. Helfner, Trump is going to be elected I think "decisively"; that is when Joe had best have good Defense lawyers lined up.
It simply astounds me that Joe even sought the nomination when he could have retired having attained the career politician's ultimate prize. Now he's going out in all likelihood defeated and likely, if not certainly, looking at criminal prosecution.
There is nothing compassionate about Trump and and a lot vindictive. His goal will simply be to see Joe behind bars.
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I would say that if Trump was about vindictiveness, then Hillary Clinton would have spent time behind bars from 2017 to about 2021, as would have others such as James Comey, Robert Mueller et al.
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I actually doubt that Trump cares whether Biden ends up behind bars or not. To simply be ignored would probably hurt Biden more than anything else. Given his obvious mental decline, not even sure he would know what is happening, and he would certainly not be a factor politically in anything after November. For Trump to go after those in the Executive Branch participating in the most lopsided vindictiveness against those they disagree with politically would be another story. At this point it appears that all the Executive Branch needs a thorough housecleaning. (Yes, drain the swamp.)
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quote:Mr. Biden isn’t FDR, whom his party could just barely justify nominating, given his D-Day success and wartime prestige, while hiding from voters that he probably wouldn’t last out his term. How idiotic—how disingenuous, given everything Democrats say is at stake in the election—to require voters to weigh, practically before any other consideration, whether the candidate might be alive and lucid on Inauguration Day. In my book, the verdict already is final: One of the worst decisions by any president in history is Joe Biden’s decision to seek a second term. This decision is so terrible it may not be redeemable in the eyes of history even if his roll of the dice succeeds and he blocks Trump’s return to the presidency rather than being the vehicle for Mr. Trump’s restoration.
quote:The tragedy is that one of two old men, neither of them great, neither of them distinguished in terms of character or intellect, who are each in his way an embarrassment, and whom two-thirds of voters do not want as presidential candidates, will be chosen, in this crucial historical moment in which the stakes could not be higher, to lead the most powerful nation on earth. One will likely fail physically in coming years—he’s failing now—and be replaced by a vice president who is wholly unsuited for the presidency because she is wholly unserious, who has had four years to prove herself in a baseline way and failed to meet even the modest standards by which vice presidents are judged. The other may, on being elected or even before then, be thrown into the slammer for one of the felony charges against him, including those connected to attempting to overthrow a democratic national election.
I'll of course vote; it's my duty as a citizen. But for the reasons set forth above, I could very easily on my ballot's President line write in "Present".
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A further thought regarding Mr. Jenkins' column, I presume he is referencing 1944 when Harry Truman was picked by FDR as his V-P.
FDR only lived for three months of his fourth term (tragic he was not able to live another four to "see it over"); and Truman, who served out FDR's unexpired term plus an additional term to which he was duly elected during '48, is ranked by the Notable Scholars as our sixth best President (1 Lincoln, 2 Washington, 3 FDR, 4 TR, 5 Ike, 6 Truman).
Perhaps, and "Pro Bono Patria" should Joe win, Kamala is a latent Harry Truman. Unfortunately, neither columnist appears to hold such a view.
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quote:Originally posted by Gilbert B Norman: Perhaps, and "Pro Bono Patria" should Joe win, Kamala is a latent Harry Truman. Unfortunately, neither columnist appears to hold such a view.
????? She is nearly as much, if not more of a dud in office than Joe. I cannot picture her even being as good as the worst that has ever held the office.
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quote:Thank you for all your hard against the MAGA crazies! My cousin is a juror on Trumps (sic) criminal case and they are going to convict him tomorrow according to her. Thank you 🙏 New York courts!!!! 💜
This was posted on the NYS Unified Court System’s Facebook page under a username “Michael Anderson”. Currently being investigated. Speculation includes the idea that this can result in a hung jury and retrial.
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However Mike, if there is any foundation to the "Michael Anderson" report, then such could be an issue at Appellate level.
Now beyond "Michael Anderson", this Times columnist, holds nothing is in the bag with regards to a reversal:
Fair Use;
quote:As a prosecutor and a defense attorney for decades, I have argued hundreds of cases at this court. I’ve looked closely at the Trump case. The burning question now is, could his conviction be reversed on appeal? My answer is, the chances of that are not good.
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