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With Hillary getting trounced in New Hampshire (and her dead heat in Iowa), there is not going to be a "Coronation" this August.

She may yet get the nomination, but she will be wounded. Some Dem such as Joe may well come to Philly as a dark horse, even if that kind of stuff is not supposed to happen since the primary system has come into place.

I think my 7R 5D 1I presidential voting record shows I'm an independent. With a wounded Hillary, I just might have to start thinking what Republican just might best reflect my views in what, let's face it at age 74, could be my last presidential vote.

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Admitted, obamacare may kill us all with their death panel mandate, but there are a huge number of people living into their late 80's and early 90's, Mr Norman. You could easily have 3 more elections in you...
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Yeah. There's even a 74 year old guy who is running for the job! If HE'S not worried, you shouldn't be!
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Check out the Facebook primary. The results are based on "likes" posted on Facebook which obviously surveys only a portion of the electorate. The leaders in my state (WA) are Sanders and Carson--wouldn't that be an interesting election.
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In your map, Clinton has no green showing on the map.
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And Texas is all in for Cruz. We know him and respect him. He does what he says he will do, unlike most politicians.
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Mike, I think that most Dems, particularly the younger ones, regard Hillary like the GOP regards Jeb. "Feeling the Bern" is quite the trending topic these days.
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Mr. Vincent, do you hold that Jeb being associated with the 34th rated president (Wiki; rate the presidents) carries same weight as Hillary being associated with the 20th? Or how about The Bern associated in style and ideologies with the 17th?
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Mr. Norman, can you provide a link to those ratings? I can't seem to put in the right search word for that.
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Mr. Nicholson, your wish is thy command
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Okay, now which list are you referring to where (I assume) Bill Clinton is rated 20th and (I assume) GWBush id 34th?
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The "aggregate", or extreme right column.

Here is a perfected link to the referenced material.

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A web site was created by a local radio host... kinda ‘tongue in cheek’ about American refugees but it has really taken off:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cape-breton-donald-trump-canada_us_56c568a3e4b08ffac127b1ab

http://cbiftrumpwins.com/#intro

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Cape Breton Island (the location that is trying to woo refugees from a Trump presidency in the above links), is also the current home of David Gunn, former Amtrak CEO. For those of us on this forum, there would be the added attraction of maybe running into him at a bar and foaming.
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None of this new - at least to me!

I can recall a Fifth Grade teacher (a Dem who could have "lived with" Ike) back in '52, who simply stated that "if Taft is nominated and wins (general election), I'm going traveling".

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A glimpse into the future: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/president-trump-was-just_b_9294918.html
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Believing anything from the Huffing and Puffing Post is ludicrous.
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Yeah, it's kinda like Fox News!
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quote:
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Yeah, it's kinda like Fox News!

Here's a nice little tidbit NOT from Fox:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-just-before-voting-ends-in-nv-rubio-scandal-re-surfaces/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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There are "news" organizations worse than Fox.
ABCNNBCBS immediately come to mind.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Jerome Nicholson:
Yeah, it's kinda like Fox News!

Here's a nice little tidbit NOT from Fox:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/breaking-just-before-voting-ends-in-nv-rubio-scandal-re-surfaces/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

It could be worse. He could have raped a woman and seduced a young girl in a closet of his office. Or he could have been a member of a Chicago gay bath house, instead of having some marginally questionable American Express charges.
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It could be worse. He could have raped a woman and seduced a young girl in a closet of his office. Or he could have been a member of a Chicago gay bath house, instead of having some marginally questionable American Express charges.

I'm certainly not going to defend Willie Boy/ I think the so - called "Feminists" who defended him based on his support of abortion rights are the worst kind of hypocrites. But at least Democrats don't make sexuality a campaign theme, like certain Reepublicans like Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, David Vitter,Mark Sanford, etc.
Not sure who you're referring to in the other example.

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http://rense.com/general95/onemanuel.html
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Possibly, I will hold different thoughts after Super Tuesday, but I think - and never dreamed this would be the case - that the Republican party had best move to Kubler-Ross Phase 5 and accept that Donald Trump will be their nominee.

Of course, this is hardly the first time a major party has nominated a sure loser; Goldwater '64, McGovern '72, Dole '96, but in an "open election" I'm at a loss to have any come to mind.

Otherwise at Cleveland, just may as well Gift Wrap the Presidency and FedEx it off to Hillary.

Finally, while this couple of married professionals are portrayed as having a strong marriage, I wonder the effect The Donald could have on some that fall in the "otherwise" category:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/till-deathor-donalddo-us-part-couples-spar-over-trump-1456362831

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  • If the Hinman marriage is to survive the 2016 presidential election unscathed, certain rules must be observed.

    When Donald Trump appears on the evening news, either Jeannine or Jon Hinman must leave the room, or they can flip to the National Geographic channel. If Mr. Trump comes up at a party, the Hinmans migrate to different conversational groups, his pro and hers anti.

    Above all, there shall be no Trump in the bedroom. “From bedtime on, we don’t talk politics,” says Ms. Hinman.

    What love and hard work have built over the course of the Hinmans’ 34-year marriage, Mr. Trump has managed to dent in an eight-month campaign for the presidency.

    “It’s making it a testy time,” says Ms. Hinman, a 56-year-old attorney. “I know we’ll weather this storm, but there are moments when I think, ‘I have no idea who you are.’ ”

    There’s something about Mr. Trump that makes it hard for people who love him, and people who hate him, to love each other.

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Like you, Mr. Norman, I have assumed a Trump nomination would lead to a Goldwater - esque burial of the Republican Party. But now I'm not so sure.
Both parties have their reliable regions that guarantee a solid base of electoral votes (the South, Southwest, Rocky Mountain States, and Farm Belt for the GOP, and the Pacific Coast, Northeast, and Rust Belt for the Dems). After that, it's a matter of picking up enough swing states to put one over the top.
But what if a candidate comes along who can pick off some of those reliable states? Trump has a path to victory if he can pick off some of those "Rust Belt" states that lost their industrial jobs to Mexico and China, and they remember it was the policies of the husband of the likely Democratic nominee that caused the condition. Certainly the Trump ads will remind them. Throw in any possible FBI action, and Trump is the next President.
And then God help us, everyone!

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Lest we forget Mr. Nicholson, the DOJ/FBI works for the President - and the incumbent is supporting Hillary. That be the case even if there is no Big Love between one another.

To what extent she was embittered when Obama neutralized her with the SecState appointment and consequently precluded any thought of her running against him during '12, we know not. But any contentions of such evaporated when Bill won Obama his second term with his masterful soliloquy at the Convention.

Love her or not, Obama, who has had a slight rise in popularity of late, as well as Michelle (maybe even the girls), will be on the Hillary trail come Labor Day.

All told, Obama owns the DOJ, but "the Hillbillies" own Obama.

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You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. Hillary does not have the charisma to motivate people to vote for her. You will have the walking dead voting for her, but no normal democrat will go out of their way to show up at the voting booth for Hillary.
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quote:
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You are looking at this from the wrong perspective. Hillary does not have the charisma to motivate people to vote for her. You will have the walking dead voting for her, but no normal democrat will go out of their way to show up at the voting booth for Hillary.

Oh, we will. Trump has the charisma to get us to go out and vote AGAINST him, especially knowing the Supreme Court is in play.
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South Carolina returns look like someone's campaign has "crashed and bERned"
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quote:
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Lest we forget Mr. Nicholson, the DOJ/FBI works for the President - and the incumbent is supporting Hillary. That be the case even if there is no Big Love between one another.

. . . .

All told, Obama owns the DOJ, but "the Hillbillies" own Obama.

Which means we have gotten exactly what we are supposed to not have in this country: A legal system run as puppets of political hacks, not a legal system invested in separating right and wrong above all else, regardless. In other words, we now have a legal system that is truly "third world" That is for sale.
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South Carolina was educational. The democrats turned out 367,000 voters. The Republicans turned out 735,000 voters. This should hold through the November election.
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Stand by for a Third Party candidacy this year - and I don't mean "Greenies" and other assorted special interests.

I think such would likely be at The Donald's expense, and assuring that Chief Justice Roberts will say a phrase never before heard in US history:

"Congratulations, Madam President".

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I don't think that a Bloomberg candidacy would guarantee a win for Clinton. Obama has benefitted from the GOP's fervent desire to use the past 2 presidential elections as a culture war battleground rather than an economic policy battleground. There a plenty of fiscally conservative but socially progressive independent voters who have defaulted to the Democrats because of the social policies promoted by the last 2 GOP presidential candidates. Bloomberg would bring a very pro-business platform to the election debate without any desire to fight rear-guard wars on health care, abortion or marriage equality.
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I do not believe the American people are dumb enough to elect Hillary.

If I am wrong, we will resurrect the Republic of Texas and let the leftoids have what is left of the failed Union.

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Wow, Mr. Smith.

Wasn't this all over and done during 1846 after about ten years?

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Maybe so, Mr. Norman, but there are noises from quite a few about why don't you idiot Southerners just leave the Union. All we can say is, we tried that once and their was furious objections. If you regret that, please let us know and we will happily go away.
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quote:
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South Carolina was educational. The democrats turned out 367,000 voters. The Republicans turned out 735,000 voters. This should hold through the November election.

Democrats aren't looking to take South Carolina; it hasn't voted Democratic since Jimmy Carter carried every Southern State (except Virginia) in 1976. The purpose of its primary is to see how popular a candidate is with black voters, who are a vital factor in that party. Clinton's margin there, if it holds up on Super Tuesday, will make her the all but certain nominee.

Now, as for turnout, I'm expecting Virginia's to be rather low because there are a suprising number of people here who don't know that VZ is a Super Tuesday State this year.If the black turnout is low, Sanders ha a chance hereAlso Minnesota, Co;orado, Massachusetts, and Vermont.

As for the Republicans, I expest Trump will run the table tomorrow. I don't see anyone stopping him.

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Maybe so, Mr. Norman, but there are noises from quite a few about why don't you idiot Southerners just leave the Union. All we can say is, we tried that once and their was furious objections. If you regret that, please let us know and we will happily go away.

There is a growing movement to let the South (especially Texas) to do exactly that. With slavery off the table, either nation would have people who actually want to be there Iposted years ago a plan outlining how it could be done peacefully, and at least one of the Smith Brothers liked it. It would certainly be better than havind a disgruntled minority in either party parylizing the Government because they don't get their way.
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quote:
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Maybe so, Mr. Norman, but there are noises from quite a few about why don't you idiot Southerners just leave the Union.

There is a growing movement to let the South (especially Texas) to do exactly that.
Well Messrs. Harris and Nicholson, I guess Amtrak had best pad the Sunset's schedule a bit more for border inspections at Beaumont and El Paso.

But hey, aren't there enough Glock carrying folk wearing Green already on the scene in El Paso at train time?

Meanwhile, back on our topic around here, Today could wrap it up for both parties, even if Bernie "gets lucky" in some of the Libby states voting today and Ted gets same in "the Second Republic" (we're sounding a bit French aren't we? But the First Republic was 1846 vintage). The "winner take all" states voting later this month will simply be icing on the cake.

While on Election night come November the victor is expected to be magnanimous to the vanquished, somewhere in Hillary's circle, a loud chorus of "you're fired" will be heard.

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It will not wrap up today, but it will be done by March 15.

And Texas would not secede from the USA, it would resign our membership in this failed Union.

With 80 million+ guns and somewhere over 7 billion rounds of ammo, I'm thinking DC would just let us go, and let us have the military assets already in our State.

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